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\_Show drinking drivers as criminals, T says traffic conference panelist Cindy Povey Chronicle ‘Staff Efforts must be directed in the community to emphasize that drinking and driving is unacceptable and is criminal behaviour, says Mark Rosenberg, partner in the law firm Greenspan and Arnupt. ""The concept that is missing is that it is criminal and morally wrong," Rosenberg told participants of the 1985 annual convention of the Ontario Traffic Conference Monday. â€" â€" L0 . & . 100 .0. 0 qsl o# 200 n on ons The conference, hosted by the Regional Municipality of Waterloo this year, concludes today at the Yalhalla Inn. Monday‘s conference was entitled Drinking and Driving â€" The Next Step. . t ealh N poeol i2 â€" o uen o idb isteiingiindctdfinaliind. shs ‘"Drinking and driving, individually, are two socially acceptable behaviours. The only problem is when the two are combined, they are morally unacceptable. It‘s difficult for people to come to grips with that," Rosenberg said. 130th Year No. 18 Wednesday, May 1, 1985 5 *%~ en h p & : 4 w 4 Â¥ £7 | Faes * t ua% C + m € SE N c f s 6 % i Sic : db * F * 1x + Melodee Martinuk Chronicle Staff Separate School funding, the sale of beer and wine in ‘ntario orner grocery stores and job creation were the issues of the moment during Monday‘s allâ€"candidates‘ debate at Mutual Life. mfi?fiéfiié. which New Democrat Richard Gerson did not attend, was the last of four held in this ridâ€" ing. There were few fifeworks during the oneâ€"andâ€"aâ€"half hour forum, attended by approximately 50 people, although Tory challenger Lynne Wollstencroft drew some flack because of the previous Tory governâ€" ment‘s record in office. In response to one questioner, who wanted an explanation for former Premier Bill Davis‘ turnâ€"about on the fullâ€"funding to separate schools, Woolstencroft remarked only that any answer would only be "speculation‘" on her part. "I don‘t know why the change," she said. "...It‘s never been made clear." Later, Woolstencroft told another in the audience that she would press for greater discussion on the funding question if elected, and noted that Premier Frank Miller has proposed four days of debate in the legislature. Woolstencroft added that she has conâ€" cerns that the jobs of school support staff, custodians and secretaries, for example, be guaranteed, as well as teaching positions, if full funding is implemented. Epp responded that four days of debate would be inadequate, pointing out it would allow each member of the legislature only 10 minutes to speak. He vowed that, although Liberals have supported full funding since 1971, they have no intention of "rubberstampâ€" ing" any legislation. ."(fiutâ€".;om.e’ of the Liberal campaign platforms also presented p!'o_blems for Epp at the debate. _ One participant accused Liberal Leader David Peterson of playing politics because of the proposal to eliminate OHIP premiums. _ _ â€" ‘*Perhaps it‘s time we had a change in government, but 1 find it hard to vote for an Opposition leader who suggests there sould be no OHIP premiums," the gentleman said. "Maybe medicare isn‘t perfect, but it‘s the best system there is, and we have to pay for it esusis aocats o aenatment Ni h i s m uie ces s oi t Debates spark some questions on policy stands Now the voters have their say m udedionl mt ons ~Aoeinirenc ied ite Rosenberg, who is primarily a defense counsel, deals with those charged with impaired driving causing serious injuries or death. He said it is difficult to look at anyone convicted of impaired driving as criminal. He said those convicted don‘t think of themselves as crimiâ€" rals. * "They don‘t intend to kill anyone and they are ordinary, law abiding citizens. It‘s very difficult to fit these kind of people into the general scheme of law. By and large they are good people and they don‘t intend for their actions to hurt anyone."‘ Rosenberg suggested that the Drinking and Driving campaign stress fatalities more so than consequences. He thinks educating the public of the fact that impaired drivers are criminals would be more effective. "Why not show them as criminals? Show them arrested and why not show them appearing in provincial court with the rapists, muggers and real criminals? Maybe it‘s time people understood it is criminal. In my Epp replied by pointing out that most provinces in Canada do not require residents to pay for their health care, and he attacked the "regressivity"" of the preâ€" mium. "If you earn $10,000 a year or $400,000 a year, you still pay the same premiums ... we just want to be fair with the Ontario public," he explained. Woolstencroft responded that it would be more regressive to eliminate premiums altogether, because 50 per cent of OHIP is now paid by corporations. of equal value and approval of a minimum tax Both candidates back using lottery money to improve hospitals, implementing equal pay for work Waterloo North candidate; ketb Epp and Lynne Woolstencroft debated the issues at Monday‘s allâ€"candidate‘s meeting sponsored by Mutual Life. Chronicte photo Waterloo, Ontario aeg un 3e ems ofi 060 aiateninadliied mnetaiie en ts ol ht s Ses veminakonte H2Sesiag‘s * 4 6: i vx,gz 3 w sybasw * wl es \rig : s3 s 23x .. s 44e e ‘}g:: e # P | s en sX o. * $s ult gamt . SAna: & e uts w xt ie tne T Ro i 25 cents at the Newstand view, the next step is dealing with it as a criminal matâ€" David Bruce, Director of Drinking and Driving Countermeasures Unit of the Attorney General‘s Office, also spoke as a panel guest. He suggested focusing on community efforts, saying people can be reached by simple methods like talk shows and bumper stickers â€" methods psychologists say work. _ _ "We can‘t do it on our own. We need the help of the people in communities. We have to reach out beyond the professionals," he said. _ _ _ o e r'(i;e’orge Jubp. viceâ€"president of Public Affairs for Molson‘s Ontario, talked about the assumption that advertising affects consumption. _____ _ o "Advertising serves the purpose of the breweries," he said. "It persuades beer drinkers to try their brands. Advertising does not expand the total beer market. Nor doeds it make a nonâ€"beer drinker a beer drinker," he said. e w % * 4j M oi ue Sioe C s * mc y > ABaont BiL