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Decision is deferred on Southgate Too many questions went unanswered Monday night for Waterloo council to makeany decision on the residentspmtests against Major Holdings' Southgate De- vel 'ers of Waterloo's Architectural Advisory Committee have been asked to report to council committee of the whole next Monday on what had taken place between the. developers during their meetings. Southgate is a multiple housing develop- ment situated on land bordered by Shake- speane Drive, Keats Way and McDougall Road. Ctmtroversy first broke out last week at council committee meeting when Community is first after family Mel Lastman (left) mayor of North York and successful businessman talk- ed with Chamber of Commerce President Dr. Robert Buck last Thursday night. Mr. Lastman spoke at the annual Chamber of Commerce dinner held at the Waterloo Motor Inn. . . Lastman was the guest speaker ',r,)lltili' evening at the annual dinner of e Waterloo Chamber of Commerce held at the Waterloo Motor Inn. Whether a businessman. housewife or politician everyone is a salesman ac- cording to North York Mayor Mel Last- Chamber of Commerce president pr. Robert Buck introduced Mr. Lastman by briefly outlining his successful career. The president of Bad Boy Appliances and Furniture outlets. known throughout Canada. spent four years in high school but finished without graduating. "I consider myself a salesman-mayor," Mr. Lastman said, "selling good ideas to North York and Metro Toronto residents and other politicians." He then explained everyone was a salesman because at one time' or another, peopleAry, to influence another' person, t His first job was checking credit cus- tomers at an appliance siore, When filling in for a sick salesman one day, he sold two stoves and a refrigerator right off and thus proved his ability to sell. Three years later he borrowed some money and opened his first Bad Boy store. ”My job was, and still is. as business- 118TH YEAR No.45 Doug McDowell, "epreseetting local residents, claimed the developers. Major Holdings were proceeding with the pro- ject without the proper approval for A representative of Major Holdings, Mr. J.H. Smith said no such phase approval agreement had ever been entered into. He Mr. McDowell said Major Holdings had moved the location of a swimming pool and closed off two entrances andexit lanes into Southgate without council approval. The development was to have proceeded in three phases according to Mr. McDowell with each phase being approved by court- cil. it: the differences and benefits of the p ucts or ideas. And if you can't project sincerity, you’re not going to make the sale. You've got to be genuinely interest- ed in your customers or your community or they'll know it! Communication was emphasized by Mr. Lastman as necessary to both pol- itics and in business. He said he pro- jected excitement with issues to ensure that the publie knows what is going on. He added, "A quiet electorate is a public that is duped." "The more complicated your products, or your issues, the greater the need for clear language to expl in the benefits to the public." l man or mayor," Mr. Lastman said, "to Mr. Lastman ('g'it,',iefpatroiot'. methods he, used to get business o to make sales. He said he used to follow around the ice truck to see which houses would be good candidates for a refrigerator. WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 1973 If a prospective customer looked as though he would get away, he would plan an approach designed to work on the Customer's conscnence. For example, he said the man might say he was going to have a cup of coffee and think about it. explained the pool had been moved from the hill to between the two five-storey apartment buildings because Major Holdings felt it was a better position. He added this move had also been agreed to by the Architectural Advisory Committee. There had originally been three en- trance and exit lanes planned for the de- velopment but the final plan before com- cil Monday night showed only one. Mr. Smith said one mad had been closed be- cause of complaints from residents that car lights would shine in their windows and the other onto Keats Way had been de- leted when the moving of the swimming pool shifted the apartment building over to” where the mad had originally been Mr. Smith, pointing to a colored map, said the changes had been approved by the Architectural Advisory Committee which had seen the final map. Mr. McDowell, holding a rough map which was signed by the committee said they had not seen the, 901qu map_but ugly the" one he had which did not ’show the changermade. A _ - _ Mr. McDowell attacked the developers saying “I can't help thinking the developer must think we're asking for tapes. Coun- cil should go to the committee and ask if The committee will investigate the possibility. of a government loan through Central Mortgage, the solicitation of monetary gifts, or the negotiation of some other financial means to meet the ad- ditional cost. A joint project with other churches also has been suggested. The senior citizens low rental project considered by the congregation of St. John's Lutheran Church, Waterloo, has been stalled by rising costs of construction but has not been abandoned, Rev. A.L. Con- rad, pastor, reports. " The congregatimOad authorized a bank loan up ti; iiso,000 for the building but tenders were nearly $i00,000 over that figure. ___ _ - __ “Then what he really means is he is go- ing to my competitor. I used to give him a quarter and ask if he'd bring me back a cup. That gave me another crack at him." Ch ch still wants 8815311 citizen home The home would be built on St. John's church property providing accommoo dation at rentals of $110 to $115 a month. At the closing of his speech, Mr. Last- man stressed that next to the family, the community is th,e most important centre of activity that makes life human, civil- ized and cultured. . “In all communities, we have those who want Utopia, or at least a heavenly-styled city. but few look around their neighbor- hoods to improve what is close by." he said. "An idea is a seed. -It needs to be plant- ed. cultivated and harvested. No matter what our purposes in life may be, they start out as small ideas and small actions. We must do many little things to accom- plish one big thing." It is common for people to sit back and let the politicians and professional plan- ners design a community Mr. Lastman said but the satisfaction for the individual is little. He emphasized it is be citizen's duty to get involved so the community can take advantage of his skills and ex- perience. WATERLOO, ONTARIO they did' give approval to these changes. I've chec.ked with the committee and they told me 09min; har..tteelt approvegi. Mr. Smith though defended his stand say- ing hedeliberately stuck to the documents but, “One of us is lying. " he said. In a lengthy discussion, members of ceived the same insurers from Major .Hotdings that approval had been received from the Architectural Advisory Com- mittee. Council has received minutes of the committee meetings but did not re- member any mention of the Southgate Aid. Bob Cruise movedthe terms of reference for the Architectural Advisory Committee be sent to its members so they know what authoritiesthey have. He said, “I think they overstepped their boundaries." . Ald. Bob Henry said, “I think Aid. Cruise has been a bit premature in his judgement. I don't think- its the committee at all. They have been brought up as the culprits but they know very well what their author- ities are and have been very co-operative in this way. " - The occupants would be primarily *mem- bers of St. John's church. but applications from members of other Lutheran churches would also be accepted as accommoda- tion permits. The committee had planned to start construction this fait and is still hopeful that the necessary financial arrange- ments can be made for a start next spring. St. John's church, the largest congre- gation in Waterloo, has a baptized mem- bership of 2,432 and is one of the largest in the' Twin Cities. Confirmed member- ship is 1,912. Aiming for Program facilities and ignprove- ments are also being planned for the children and families use at the Lion's Youth Camp on Lake Belwood and the Kiwanis Paradise Lake Camp- site of Camp Ki-Wa-Y, The money from the campaign will be used by both Kitchener and Water- loo YMCA's. Plans for its use in Wa- terloo include the provision of out- door paved playing. courts for basket- ball, tennis and volleyball to enhance the year round use of the Y. The un- finished basement area will also be converted into a Youth Centre and fit- ness testing area, Cost of the pro ject is estimated at $27,000. Various other YMCA projects such as buying the 34-acre site for Camp Wabanaki and adding needed facili- ties to serve children at both bran- ches are planned. A capital campaign with an objec- tive of $250,000 will be kicked off by the 2iiii'iiriiiitiiiii YMCA's Thursday night at 6 pan. at the Wa- terloo Family Y on Lincoln Road. Three hundred campaign workers will be present to hear speeches from Beth Fletch and Bruce Bailey, YMCA youth members. The challenge for the campaign will be given by John Ache- son. president of Dominion Life. $250,000 l 3. 700 copies delivered by carrier every Wednesday, in WA TERLOO PRICE 10 CENTS l didn't tie (Mr. Smith) said