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the ceremony of initiation. Each one of those takes a year. Then there's an associate matron, it's like a vice president. Then when you become Matron why, that is--your president. Since it's a woman's organization the woman is in charge although there is always a man along with her who is called a worthy patron. He is sort of a co-chairman. Debbie: Are the Masons and the Eastern Star alike? Mrs. S: Yes, they're twinned. You can't belong to the Eastern Star unless you are a wife, mother, daughter, sister or widow of a Mason. Debbie: Well, how does the man become a Mason then? Mrs. S: Oh, well he joins the Masonic order on his own. The Eastern Stair is an affiliate, the women's side of that. But you need a few men in it as well. There's always a place for a Mason as well. Duane: So, if you wanted to become a Mason do you have to get someone to sponsor you? Mrs. S: They do. They're always searching for some new candidates and so they're usually out after anybody that they think would want to join. And it is only a protestant organization. Debbie: Do you remember your most interesting experience in Oakland? Mrs. S: I don't know whether you'd call it interesting or horri¬fying. Debbie: Well, could you tell us about it? Mrs. S: It's the time--you were there (looking at Debbie). Debbie: Oh, was I? Mrs. S: Yes, that terrible storm we had and Paul Kormos was off with somebody doing public speaking and that terrible storm came up. I telephoned--I was supposed to be vice principal I suppose--and I telephoned and telephoned and tried to get the buses to come. But no, there was no storm in Brantford, no storm in Brantford. Debbie: I don't remember that. Mrs. S: You don't remember it? You must have gotten home alright. Debbie: Maybe that's it. Mrs. S: Because you see, the buses couldn't come and we couldn't get the kids home.