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"Drive to the edge of the city and take the bus on up." (laughs) I didn't do it though. Joanne: Do you ever drive in the city now? Mrs. R: Oh yes. I go all over Brantford, Guelph, Simcoe, and any of these towns that are not too busy. But, the busy ones I don't bother. Joanne: Was Mr. Rammage you instructor? Mrs. R: No! (laughs) You never want to get your husband to be your....My daughter helped me get--she went with me to get my licence. And then this guy up the road there, Herman Persall--he went around with me a time or two to show me a bit about driving. Mr. R: Now she goes to Simcoe. Mrs. R: Oh I go to Simcoe. I go farther than that. Mr. R: To get her license. Mrs. R: Oh yeah. I have to do that every year, you see. Joanne: There's been quite a few changes around here. There's been some improvements and some setbacks, too. Could you tell us about any that you could think of? What your opinions of them are? Mrs. R: Well, I can't really think of any special ones, that I know of. Improvements. I guess there's lots of them if I'd been thinking. But, they don't change that much I guess. Joanne: Not around here. That's the impression I've been getting. Mrs. R: I don't think they change that drastic. Joanne: What's your overall impression of living in Oakland? Mrs. R: Well, I guess we never thought too much about living anywhere else. Though we had the farm and when he retired, in order to have something to do he keeps chickens. So we just stay here. Mrs. R: Still got the farm!! Duane: Do you rent it out? Mr. R: Rent it out? Yes.